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Poster: Scott66 Date: Aug 13, 2005 4:42am
Forum: etree Subject: grateful dead tours

is there any reason why the dead only toured the states. i know they did europe a handful of times and egypt once but just wondered why they stuck only to the states? also egypt never gets great reviews-were the 3 shows they did there not that great?

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 13, 2005 7:09am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: grateful dead tours

The Dead were pretty much an american phenomenon, they never made it that big in Europe, although they were somewhat successful in England, and I don't think there are a lot of Japanese or Korean Deadheads....LOL. In 1981, they ended up playing at the Melkweg Multi-medium Centrum (aka Hashbar)in Amsterdam after they had to cancel a large venue in France because of low ticket sales. Of course those turned out to be the highlight of The European tour, (They played on borrowed instruments) and included an accoustic set on Bobby's birthday as well as a couple of other treats (Gloria, the 1st post Pigpen Lovelight and Hully Gully) in the second set of that show.

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Poster: Lewis/Klitschko Date: Aug 13, 2005 10:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: grateful dead tours

By all accounts, the Dead were poorly received in Paris '72. Can you believe that? 5/3 and 5/4, especially 5/3, are mindblowers, and they were poorly received. They should have at least appreciated the JB-influenced "Good Lovin's." Those Europe "Good Lovin's" must have been the first bona fide foray into funk, later visited during the 9/18/74 "Playin'."

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Poster: winterhunt Date: Aug 14, 2005 10:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: grateful dead tours

hate to say it but typical French...the only countryI know with a government position created to fund and develop rock and roll bands for international gain.......the Minister of Rock and Roll....this is sadly absolutely true.....still they cannot produce even one rock band of note.....cinema???? you bet. but Rock and Roll not a chance......not surprising to me that they just wouldn't get it....so much of their arts culture is exteriorly aesthetically based.......I guess the boys probably didn't look the part enough for them.......oh, well their loss was our gain....more shows on our shores.......

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Poster: liranfa Date: Aug 14, 2005 11:39am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: grateful dead tours

the Egypt shows were more of an event than great music. The most widely circulated tapes of the shows was the 3rd night which was under a full moon in front of the Sphinx. According to something I read, the boys all took the opportunity to dose up and the 1st set shows it. Some of the most scattered post '60's jamming I've heard. The 2nd set is better and more focused and Bill Graham stated that there was nothing like being high and dancing to the Dead that night in front of the pyramids. This is what I know and understand so if my facts are wrong or I missed something (are you out there Stratocaster?) please feel free to elaborate.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 15, 2005 1:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: grateful dead tours

I believe that most of the drugs were aquired in Egypt (as opposed to risking a customs search)...that would probably be smack or hashish...I doubt the band was on acid at egypt (as the story goes 05-11-1978 was the last lysergic experience for the band)...the whole egypt run sounds disjointed to me...they certainly played so much better at the following Winterland run...Uncle John is right, the band, particularly Jerry definitely loved some places because of the local "fare" (ala the Pete Townsend reference)and black listed others for their tight environments (Pauley Pavilion for one)...

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Aug 15, 2005 12:29am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: grateful dead tours

Interesting topic, I'd never thought about it allot before. For some periods of their career they probably had too much equipment to make going overseas feasible. I think they borrowed the Who's rig for Egypt. In later years they had such a following stateside they didn't want to neglect that market.

I do think the drug angle was a real factor. I think I read (Scully?)that one reason that Jerry consented to doing the Rockpalast gigs in Germany was because Townsend assured him he could easily score Persian while there. Who knows?
I'm glad they played plenty of shows where I could see them that's all I know : )

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Poster: Rhodes Man Date: Aug 14, 2005 9:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: grateful dead tours

It also didn't help that a certain members' drug use was so out of hand, that he was too paranoid to deal with customs and the crossing of borders.

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Poster: smarcus Date: Aug 15, 2005 9:33pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: grateful dead tours

I worked for the Grateful Dead from 1983 until about six months after Jerry died and the main reason they didn't play outside of the US (except for Canada) was because of his drug habit, but in 1987-88 they had actually booked a small tour of Japan and China (including a show at the Great Wall), but it fell apart after they pretty much realized that China's record on human rights couldn't be ignored.

Concerning drugs in Egypt, mostly booze and some hash.

The European tour in 1990 happened because they were originally going to play in Moscow and the promoters were going to pay to get all their equipment to Russia via Europe. They booked a tour around that show and after the Russia show was canceled decided to play the tour anyway even though they lost over $500,000 doing it.

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Poster: Scott66 Date: Aug 16, 2005 2:25am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: grateful dead tours

Some really interesting comments. Sad really that drugs can dictate your life that much. Elvis fans probably feel the same and he didn't play a single shows outside of the states. Regarding planning a tour 87-88, as this was quite soon after Jerrys coma I would imagine he would have been quite clean at this time and OK to travel.